Sun miracles are irresponsible for can lead to eye damage

Expert Medical Declarations on visions and miracles of the sun give us the moral which is Do Not Look at the Sun!

Experts downgrade miracle or vision claims if the recipient was too expectant of a wonder or seems to be copying somebody else.

Prayer and supernatural notions make you feel you have the upper hand in your battle with truth.  They are untestable and that makes you feel you have control.  Sorry imagining control may feel good and even addictive but you still don't have any.  You feel good and strong because you made prayer and your doctrines untestable.  

It is like how when you pray and nothing happens you tell yourself that something wonderful must have happened despite appearances.  It tends to be overlooked that if people gather to pray and report visions or a paranormal experience that is a red flag.  Human nature seeks lies that make it feel good, safe, forgiven, reformed, smarter and righteous.  It wants truth cherry-picked and twisted for it knows truth does not care what it wants or needs.  To try to imagine truth away is a placebo in itself.  I should say a set of placebos for just as lies make more lies to protect themselves no placebo comes alone.  It is true that bias exists in everybody but that is no excuse for taking people who have a bit more of it seriously.

The Fatima sun report is biased against Jesus himself who said that there could be false signs and wonders that would fool even those who are elect, ie living saints.

Human nature is dangerously bystander.  Unless one person acts or speaks, a crowd will not help somebody who is getting beaten up.  The bystander tendency will be worse with the alleged supernatural for it does not have the testability that the natural has.  You get away with it better if you say you seen Jesus' mother as in apparition but not if she is your living neighbour.  You get rid of responsibility. 

If you want a miracle out of the sun, you will want to be able to look at it. You will want to see colours. It will have to spin. There is not much for a sun to do. No miracle of the sun has thousands seeing a meaningful face, maybe Mary or Jesus in it, and being able to contribute to a photofit image. It is always convenient stuff. The noise around the miracle is what is impressive not the miracle. When you disrespect it all, you don’t even get anything amazing never mind a miracle. The believers in such miracles of the sun tell a bald faced lie, “I never expected the sun to do anything”. Of course they did.  There was plenty of time with witnesses for copying or parroting others.

People need to stare at the sun if they want to see a miraculous sun dance or visions around and in the sun. At places like Medjugorje they are told to stare. People stared at the sun at Fatima too.  In 1917, the staring at the sun craze started off with thousands allegedly seeing the sun spin and jump out of the sky at them as a sign in favour of the notion that Jesus sent his mother to Fatima to be his magical messenger.  The damage done since that time with people trying to look at the sun has been incalculable.

If more people tried that trick somewhere else the same “visions” would be seen. Looking at the sun long enough triggers the Entoptic Phenomenon. This is caused by the eye being harmed by the excessive light and so colour changes will happen, floaters will appear, and you can even see the blood vessels in the backs of your own eyes as the light creates a mirror effect. The iris muscle flexes and dilates with the stress which causes a bouncy effect. The sun can seem to jump around. Imagination will also have a role to play in the excitement and the physical stress caused to your eyes.

People think the iris gets tiny in bright light. It does but as it de-stresses during the great light it starts to adapt and then it will widen again. That explains the so-called miracle of people having fairly dilated pupils in the sun. This is referred to as pupillary play. 

Dark spots are reported by people who look at the sun at holy places and that could be a burn on the retina. People at Medjugorje are told the round dark spot appearing in the sun is the host appearing over the sun!! That is no vision but merely the Troxler effect.

Any damage done by looking at the sun is incurable.

If so many looked at the sun in Fatima their eyes needed checking even if they thought differently.  This was not undertaken.  No checking was done and anyway nobody went to the doctor in those days with that issue anyway.  

The claim that everybody who looked suffered no lasting damage is a lie.  It would take a miracle to know that they didn't.  No doctor verified a strange immunity to damage as a result of the alleged event.  

There is no note.  

No report.

From: The Evidence for Visions of the Virgin Mary, Kevin McClure, Aquarian Books, Northamptonshire, 1983
 
"Nothing about Fatima has turned out to be in the least bit simple or straightforward at all. Indeed, I have never seen such a collection of contradictory accounts of a case in any of the research I have done in the past ten years. Part of the problem is that very little was written about Fatima before the end of the Second World War, and most of the Catholic commentaries seem to date from after 1950. Thirty year later is not an ideal time to start writing about any event. Also, much of the original material, published at the same time as the visions, has become confused with the content of Lucia Santos' memoirs, which were only published in 1942" (page 72).
 
"It is difficult to find any two accounts of the visions of May and June 1917 that agree in detail" (page 73).

"With the fifth apparition, on 13 September 1917... there are UFO-type phenomena witnessed by others besides the children, and ... there is the vision of the Virgin. Many of those present saw nothing at all..." (page 76).

"There are many factors that prevent us drawing the simple conclusion that a divinely-inspired miracle took place. Firstly, there were many representatives of the press present at the Cova, both journalists and photographers. There are many photographs of the crowd witnessing the vision; but in spite of the presence of cameras there is no photograph of the event that is even vaguely authentic; the one usually presented is actually of a solar eclipse in another part of the world, taken some time before 1917. What were the photographers doing? How could anyone miss a scoop like that? Secondly, it is clear that only a proportion of the crowd, probably less than half, actually witnessed the miracle. There is some evidence to the effect that only those who were standing in a broad band across the centre of the Cova saw the vision; but the truth of this is now impossible to establish. Thirdly, the accounts of the miracle, of the 'dance of the sun,' are simply not consistent" (page 78).

I would add that even the most ardent believer must hold that most sun visions are not true and are illusions.  

That would mean that you cannot tell at Fatima who saw the "real" and who did not.  What needs explaining is the reaction of the people to the alleged sign not the sign.  Even worse, those who saw the "real" surely saw illusions alongside it for that is what looking at the sun in the sky does.
 
"These contradictions must raise some doubts as to the objective nature of what was seen" (page 79).

"On the whole I have been disappointed to find that there is less to most of the visions than originally seemed to be the case. In the seven major speaking visions... we have a total of only nineteen witnesses telling us about the actual visions. All of them are children, most of them barely literate, and having very little experience in life. The contemporary investigation was often shabby and incomplete, and the recording of the witnesses' own accounts often took place far too long after the events for accuracy... Consequently, while I am prepared to accept that most of the visions were genuine for the visionaries, I am not convinced that any external force, entity or intelligence had a part in any of the reported visions... what emerges from the stories of the visions may be a contact with some sort of externalized form established by belief or hope over the years, and perceived by those who were prepared for it, who were in the right frame of mind" (pages 150-151).
 
Kevin McClure states it so well -
 
"there are many factors that prevent us drawing the simple conclusion that a divinely-inspired miracle took place. Firstly, there were many representatives of the press present at the Cova, both journalists and photographers. There are many photographs of the crowd witnessing the vision; but in spite of the presence of cameras there is no photograph of the event that is even vaguely authentic... What were the photographers doing? How could anyone miss a scoop like that? Secondly, it is clear that only a proportion of the crowd, probably less than half, actually witnessed the miracle... Thirdly, the accounts of the miracle, of the 'dance of the sun,' are simply not consistent... these contradictions must raise some doubts as to the objective nature of what was seen." (Pg. 78-79, The Evidence for Visions of the Virgin Mary, Kevin McClure, Aquarian Press, Wellingborough, Northamptonshire, 1985).

The Sun at Medjugorje from an online source

Various sources from television, radio and newspapers reported that several people claimed to have seen or even filmed strange phenomena of the sun that would have happened during their stay in Medjugorje. Moreover, some time ago a religious showed me a video tape filmed in Medjugorje in which you could clearly see the sun actually pulsing in the sky over Medjugorje. After having seen this video I have decided to do some inquiries. 
During my first travel to Medjugorje, I interviewed many local people, asking them if such phenomena of the sun were legends or real and if they had seen any of them personally. Some people did not answer to me directly, others said to me that such phenomena were real and that they had been witnesses themselves now or in the past, and that anybody can be witness of these phenomena, you just need to go in the centre square before the sunset and look. 

Another person, finally, said to me that the solar phenomena still happen today in Medjugorje, but that once, at the times of first apparitions in the 1980s, they were showier. So, the same day at 5 p. m. I went, with my video-camera, in the centre square of Medjugorje and began to look at the sun, without being able to look for more than four or five seconds because of the strong light ( I was without proper eye protection, I admit !). Personally, during that day and all the other days in which I have been in that square in order to observe (and possibly film) solar phenomena, I have not been witness of any strange behaviour of the sun. 

However I have noticed that often the pilgrims remained to observe the sun for some time and claimed that strange light or optical effects were occurring (some said the sun seemed to spin, other that the sun seemed to fall towards the Earth, a tourist said that the sun was looking as if it was duplicating, another tourist said she had seen the face of the Pope inside the solar circle) while to me, that was filming the sun in that moment, it seemed that the sun was not showing anything anomalous or strange. After looking at the videos, still I can not see anything anomalous or strange in the sun. 

My suspicion is that, in the cases I have been able to assist, those have been phenomena of delusion. 

FINALLY FROM ME

A miracle should fit in with personal responsibility.  The risk of a miracle being fake means that one that invites you to gaze at the sun without warning cannot be anything other than an illusion or an occult manipulation.  Even if it is real it is unworthy of respect.  And its promoters are not your true friends.
 

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