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The 1917 Miracle of the Sun at Fatima - what does the camera say?
The greatest alleged miracle of the twentieth century has to be the miracle of the sun at Fatima in 1917. Though science found the sun did not move, thousands of people at Fatima thought it magically did move thanks to the long dead mother of Jesus appearing there and making it move.
Some books would have you think that it had no less than 70,000 witnesses (eg. Fatima Revealed and Discarded, page 168). But if you look at the photographs you see that this was an exaggeration.
The papers gave a range of between 30,000 and 100,000 people. That they couldn't get their figures half right is a warning bell. If you look at the press photographs you will remember that photographers would have snapped the largest part of the crowd. Bearing that in mind we see that the crowd was not as big as the Church and the papers and the priests tried to make out.
Also, there were a lot of children there. Why are there no accounts of children going berserk during the scary part of the alleged miracle?
During the miracle which would have been terrifying if real, why are those witnesses below all so calm?
If you study the photos, a lot of witnesses were shielding their eyes during the miracle and squinting. No wonder they were able to look at the sun!
The Crowd During the Miracle of the Sun – from www.fatimaconference.org
Notice that the photos show they were taken in ordinary light. The miracle then didn’t show up on camera! Some people had to shield their eyes to look at the sun. Others look too relaxed to be seeing a miracle. Some are not looking at the sun at all.
Our photographer didn’t see much when he was so interested in photographing the people!
This photograph plainly shows some people were looking at the sun during the "miracle". Others were completely disinterested because nothing was happening.
The story of the rain and the people drying miraculously is a hoax. The photos show no evidence of anybody getting wet or being wet at all. And that includes the photos from minutes before the Miracle.
Despite all the photographers who were present there are no photos of the sun or changes in the sky or any physical evidence. It is psychologically unthinkable that with the photographers who were there none attempted a photo of anything other than the crowd. The photographer who could snap the sky during the miracle and present a photo with nothing out of the ordinary would have been a hero with the secularist regime that desperately wanted to believe the Fatima tale was delusion. There is nothing to indicate that anything odd happened in the sky. The best the defender can do is produce photos of eclipses in far away lands! (page 78, The Evidence for Visions of the Virgin Mary). The photo directly above is an example of one such fake. The Vatican's own newspaper was guilty of promoting a lie. It appeared in 1951 by L’Osservatore Romano. Interestingly according to some the picture seems to hail from 1925 when it was thought the sun was behaving oddly at a town in Portugal. It is easily seen though that the picture itself does not look that strange which makes one wonder was there a culture of imagining signs in the sky.
The absence of any solar picture either for or against the solar miracle is a far bigger wonder than the miracle itself.
The Church promotes the lies even today.
APPENDIX JOE NICKELL ON THE SOLAR MIRACLE
This Fatima “miracle” has been described in many very different ways. Some claimed that the sun spun pinwheel-like with colored streamers, while others maintained that it danced. One reported, “I saw clearly and distinctly a globe of light advancing from east to west, gliding slowly and majestically through the air.” To some, the sun seemed to be falling toward the spectators. Still others, before the “dance of the sun” occurred, saw white petals shower down and disintegrate before reaching the earth (Larue 1990, 195—196; Arvey 1990, 70—71; Rogo 1982, 227, 230—232).
Precisely what happened at Fatima has been the subject of much controversy. Church authorities made inquiries, collected eyewitness testimony, and declared the events worthy of belief as a miracle (Zimdars-Swartz 1991, 90). However, people elsewhere in the world, viewing the very same sun, did not see the alleged gyrations; neither did astronomical observatories detect the sun deviating from the norm (which would have had a devastating effect on Earth!). Therefore, more tenable explanations for the reports include mass hysteria and local meteorological phenomena such as a sundog (a parhelion or “mock sun”).
On the other hand, several eyewitnesses of the October 13, 1917, gathering at Fatima specifically stated they were looking “fixedly at the sun” or “tried to look straight at it” or otherwise made clear they were gazing directly at the actual sun (qtd. in Rogo 1982, 230, 231). If this is so, the “dancing sun” and other solar phenomena may have been due to optical effects resulting from temporary retinal distortion caused by staring at such an intense light or to the effect of darting the eyes to and fro to avoid fixed gazing (thus combining image, afterimage, and movement).
Most likely, there was a combination of factors, including optical effects and meteorological phenomena, such as the sun being seen through thin clouds, causing it to appear as a silver disc. Other possibilities include an alteration in the density of the passing clouds, causing the sun’s image to alternately brighten and dim and so seem to advance and recede, and dust or moisture droplets in the atmosphere refracting the sunlight and thus imparting a variety of colors. The effects of suggestion were also likely involved, since devout spectators had come to the site fully expecting some miraculous event, had their gaze dramatically directed at the sun by the charismatic Lucia, and excitedly discussed and compared their perceptions in a way almost certain to foster psychological contagion (Nickell 1993, 176—181).
Not surprisingly, perhaps, sun miracles have been reported at other Marian sites—at Lubbock, Texas, in 1989; Mother Cabrini Shrine near Denver, Colorado, in 1992; Conyers, Georgia, in the early to mid-1990s; and elsewhere, including Thiruvananthapuram, India, in 2008. Tragically, at the Colorado and India sites, many people suffered eye damage (solar retinopathy)—in some instances, possibly permanent damage (Nickell 1993, 196—200; Sebastian 2008).
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